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I post stuff here, on fetlife, and on tumblr. Well, I used to - now I hardly do at all.

Not because of copyright. I understand that when you post something on the internet, you're posting it for everyone to look at, and it's going to get shared around. But the comped-up piece of shit you see above (minus my commentary) is all over the internet - it's far more widely distributed than my original version. Back when I used to read my messages here and on Fetlife, I had 12-20 messages per day about stuff like this. Mostly it was people trying to be helpful and telling me "HEY! Look over here, there's another person who smeared shit all over your art!"  And it used to take me an hour every morning to cut and paste URLs into DMCA requests to get this kind of crap taken down.

Welcome to the Internet - 1 by mjranum

But that's really only the tip of the emotional iceberg for me. About 1 in 10 times that I post a DMCA I'd get a message from the person who had posted it. So not only would my inbox be filled with woe from all the copyright violations, I'd get a breakdown approximately as follows:
10% You #*!@&^!ing @#*&!@! I hope your !&*!&^# falls off and you die of cancer!!!
30% By posting an image on the internet it's in the public domain (followed by 3 pages of complete wrongness about copyright)
30% You can't make me stop! Nyaa nyaa nyaa fuck you nyaa nyaa!
20% A lecture about how mean and rude I am
5% A genuine apology
5% Well, I like it anyway, so in spite of your having complained to me and explained why you don't like it, is it OK if I keep it up? (completely clueless in other words)

Understand, as I do, that that's a small percentage of a small percentage of all the people who share my images around. But with the size of the population on the internet, it's a large number in total. On a site like Fetlife, that equates to about 100 threatening or angry emails a year. Yeah, it really makes me feel appreciated.

I set that against the times when someone comes up to me at a conference and says "dude, I love your photography!" or I get an email from someone asking please please please for a high resolution version of the file because they want to make a big print of it and frame it for their sweetie. Or, the occasional emails where someone thanks me for my stock photography helping them get a cover gig for their first book cover. Those are great. I love those moments. But they sure as hell aren't as often as the angry, petulant, bratty, or downright snotty lectures I get from ignoramuses who want to hide behind their personal interpretation of copyright law (which, by the way, is universally wrong) or who are incapable of saying "I'm sorry."

Welcome to the Internet - 2 by mjranum

Let me tell you a true story: one of the better online friends I made on Deviantart is someone I got to know because they ripped off one of my artworks and photoshopped on it (brilliantly) to turn it into a photocomposite. I told them they couldn't do that, and they said they loved my stuff, and I suggested they use a different image - here - ... and we were off to the races. We've been swapping ideas and I've been shooting custom stock for them ever since; It's a positive and nurturing creative collaboration.

You see, I'm not some ogre. I want to get my art on just like you. But I am increasingly feeling backed into a corner. I got into doing the wet plates because a) it's cool  b) I get to work with nasty dangerous stuff  c) it looks awesome   d) you cannot duplicate a plate; it's a unique artwork. I started doing wet plates in order to protect myself emotionally and to protect my art. Oh, want to know how that turned out? Some cheese-brain was taking the scans I post of my wet plates and removing my art from them, so he could use the edges in his images because, yeah, they look cool!! He. Threw. My. Art. Away. Because. The. Only. Part. That. Was. Useable. Was. The. Edges. I almost offered him a wet plate so I could get his address and go talk to him about it face to face.

These are the emotional trade-offs I'm up against. I've finally had to confront the fact that if I want to keep posting stuff on the internet, I'm going to have to utterly concede to the faceless horde out there. I will have to either stop altogether or give it all away. Not just give it away technically, give it away emotionally. And that's the problem: if I don't care, it's not going to be any good.

Submission - 1 by mjranum

If I didn't give a shit how my photography looked, I wouldn't give a shit about someone photoshopping their bad high school poetry over top of it. I wouldn't argue with them. I'd just have to lie there and take it, and I know that eventually it's going to mean creative death for me. Perhaps where I am headed is toward making photos just for myself, and not sharing them with anyone. That's sort of where I am, already. I have boxes and boxes of wet plates on a shelf over at my studio. There, they sit. I have tens of thousands of digital images on my hard drive(s). There, they sit. I am frozen at the perfect apex between anger, disgust, and the desire to quit.
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Ronald44 Featured By Owner Feb 23, 2016
Just started looking at your work.  Very nice.  I dont come to this page often.  Please keep posting or share a page you can.  Nice work.  Big nipples fan. :) 
CharmyRaven Featured By Owner Jan 7, 2016  Hobbyist General Artist
Awe. Reading this kind of made me sad. I hope you are in a better place now, emotionally and artistically. So many of us on DA love you and all the work you do makes so many artworks possible! Heck, I'm sure at least half the photomanipulations on this site would not be made without the use of your stock! I hope 2016 works out well for you, and regardless of your decision, should you stay on the internet or leave (personally, I hope you stay for self-centred reasons admittedly. I love your stock. You dominate DA! Those half-assed fuckers ripping you off would be nothing without your art and idealistically you shouldn't pay them any mind but I know that definitely isn't reality) I hope that decision brings you peace of mind. I suppose if you let it rest for a while you could always come back to it if you really feel like it. And if leaving it gives you peace... then you do what's best for you buddy.
Ecchi-Senshi Featured By Owner Jan 3, 2016
Noooooooooo~ All I got.
Evensteve Featured By Owner Edited Dec 27, 2014
I like your art. Thank you.
Hadakajime Featured By Owner Oct 22, 2014
I found your post very interesting, with the key point for myself being:
"And that's the problem: if I don't care, it's not going to be any good."

That is so compelling in describing the mechanics of everything about the situation - causes, reactions, psychology, etc. Everything all boils down to this. It's inextricable.

Posted to facebook for awareness
angelGraham Featured By Owner Sep 11, 2014  Hobbyist General Artist
Hugs. So sorry you are dealing with this.
Mfenberg Featured By Owner Sep 3, 2014  Professional Photographer
ugh..  I don't have it quite as bad as you because I try hard to be mostly oblivious to what happens to my stuff because when i RAGE!!! its bad for me.  Sigh..  but yeah... what you said.  
Akemisatya Featured By Owner Jul 26, 2014  Professional Photographer
nooooooooo ugh
JustmeTD Featured By Owner Jul 24, 2014  Hobbyist Photographer
Kinda makes you wish you knew where he lives so you could go over and take the tires and wheels off his car, with him watching, because you like his wheels . And then have a tow truck come and haul the rest of the car away to be smashed. You got what you wanted , right! So just throw the rest away. 
  Showing off your/our work is the biggest part of the payoff .  Then to have it stolen and then find it again in the hands of some shmuck . 
Well, I join with you in being pissed . 
  Your work is awesome ! I know it is or folks wouldn't steal it . That sucks , but there it is. Hang in there, and good luck. My best to you and yours .
sekky Featured By Owner Jul 22, 2014  Hobbyist Digital Artist
This was an emotional read and I'm sorry for the stress that follows when posting your work/sharing it with us. I thought I had a pretty good idea of the issues great artists face with creative theft and how demoralizing it can be but I didn't really have the picture painted as perfectly as your journal did. "He. Threw. My. Art. Away. Because. The. Only. Part. That. Was. Useable. Was. The. Edges." That part really got to me, that just sucks so bad... Gosh. I wish you the best luck in all your work, and don't let them suck the creativity out of you...
FallonRay Featured By Owner Jul 8, 2014  Hobbyist Digital Artist
I am so sorry you deal with so much tripe and idiocy. I will simply say that I use your work on occasion for my own enjoyment and likely have not properly thanked you. So THANK YOU so so so much for all you have shared. You are a badass Ninja-level photographer and I have very much enjoyed having had the privilege of using and even simply browsing your great work. I will greatly miss what you do.
stonedInc Featured By Owner Jul 6, 2014  Hobbyist General Artist
I work in an ad-works company, the usual motto within the office and in the locality around here is- if the artist does not know that we've used it, then it's kewl.

It's kinda disturbing, I have mentioned more than once that we need to give something to these artists from whom we take these pictures, their time, work and thought process is unique and most have painstakingly achieved whatever they have- from a talent and creativity point -over a long period of time. So, let's not be disrespectful, do you know what I got in return as a response, "meh".

It is a fucked up world!
onlycomeoutatnight Featured By Owner Jul 2, 2014  Professional General Artist
Thank you, sir, for lending us all your stock images. Thank you for inspiring us with these tools for creation...especially since so many of us do not have access to models regularly, and because your stock images are SO damn good.

And THANK YOU even more for your art. It inspires. It motivates. It lightens the mood, or darkens it...and communicates ideas far beyond the reaches of paper or pen or internet alone. It is transformative. It conveys and deconstructs and re-imagines and twists...

I don't blame you at all for never sharing another piece of art after this repeated violation and the frustration...I get it, I really do. But if you decide to keep sending us your art, sending us messages and letting us into your creative world...I'd be personally thrilled. Please just know that it matters to us, to the ones NOT stealing from matters. Your art is a big deal. Thank you for sharing what you have already...anything you decide to share from here on out is also a big deal. Please...know I appreciate what you've done so much. Thank you.
And now I see your "no photomanipuations and no overlaying text" policy back from 2008… .  Law aside, respecting that would have been courteous at the very least.  The author of the poem above has deleted her post, so I can't see whether she at least acknowledged where she got the photo.
mjranum Featured By Owner Aug 23, 2014
No, she didn't acknowledge it - she gave me a hard time for making fun of her shitty poetry and even had the incredible gall to complain that I was violating her copyright. Fucking entitled internet kids, get offa my lawn!
I just saw this now.  There are a lot of entitled people on the Internet for sure, and a lot of the big scary problems might be better if more people had thrown a few bucks in the kitty of some open-source projects in the nineties and oughties.  I have always taken copyright seriously even before I was selling writing.  I just come from a background where photos are documentation, and of course you crop them or mark them up or combine them however best lets you show what you want to show as long as you cite your source and do not sell copies without getting the rights. 

But you hire models and set up lighting and spend a lot of time editing your images, and as copyright holder you have the right to set whatever conditions of use you want.

I am glad that you have found the energy to post again. 

all the best,

I have noticed a lot of thoughtful people dropping off the Internet in the last five years or so.  The Internet has certainly made it easy for people to steal things, but also for people to publish things which they would have never been able to publish before, and to find like minds who they would have never stunbled across in person.  I enjoy your photography, but I haven't paid for it, and if a hobby isn't fun it isn't much of a hobby.  It does seem, though, that artists in other media have had to deal with people reworking, adapting, and imitating their work in ways that they would not have chosen for a long time.  A culture of crediting sources may be the best that we can hope for.

All the best.
motionwind Featured By Owner Jun 21, 2014  Professional Interface Designer
Hmmmm how about you share them on a personal website and use a script that cuts them into fragments, in other words you'd be able to see them on the webpage but if you wanted to save an image to your computer you'd have to save 50 small JPEGs that make up the image, and reconstruct them in photoshop. No matter how much anyone wants a background for their poetry post, that's simply too bothersome and time consuming to do, not to mention you'd have to have ridiculous precision to not mess up with your reconstruction.
onlycomeoutatnight Featured By Owner Jul 2, 2014  Professional General Artist
If they were really dedicated, they could probably "print screen" and use it that way...but maybe combine that with a block of some sort (don't know if that even exists...) so they could not "print screen" and would be forced to save individual fragments? *sigh* They could still take a picture of their screen I guess, or print it and scan that...I really like the idea of making them work for their theft. Most of the people stealing his art for shitty poetry or snarky memes are not going to take the time to piece together 50 fragments. 
suruha Featured By Owner Jun 1, 2014  Student Digital Artist
I'm so sorry.  I didn't realize it was so bad!  I appreciate your work very much.  I don't know what to say.  Thanks?

padruig Featured By Owner May 31, 2014   General Artist
your art is NOT my stock ...

it is my inspiration,
it makes me wish I had room to rebuild my studio,
it makes me dream of new computational resources (working on that now)

your art is NOT my stock ...

you have a stock site here on DA
it is worth its digital weight in digital currency
in its digital form it takes place next to my boxes of art and photography books

I use to keep the wheels turning in my meat computer

I do understand that the internet is a vast arena of uncaring, unthinking mongrels
who don't understand color balance or visual weighting
computers are our saviors, computers are our overlords

in my journeys in the digital world I frequently find the product of DA artists that has been
altered, modded and otherwise left near unrecognizable

I take those lost souls and remind them that underneath their layers of digital graffiti
someone spend hours in a darkroom, behind a camera or busing dishes to pay for a new
camera, digital back, lens, paying a model, new post software ...
just so the original image is as close to perfection as possible by the artist
who sweated coffee, cheap cigarettes, and comments made by loving friends and parents
about an activity for which they may feel will come to nothing in your life
but for you is the sheer act of creation ...

pursue what stirs your heart
the Universe outside of you can take care of itself
the Universe inside of you,
that is what matters most !
mjranum Featured By Owner Aug 23, 2014
Thank you for that; thank you for taking the time, and caring.
adpdl Featured By Owner May 30, 2014
Your art is absolutely fantastic: gorgeous, intelligent and fun at the same time. And your stock is maybe the single best resource on the net regarding the human form. Such a genorisity deserves praises. I just wanted to say a big THANK YOU!
87dibs Featured By Owner May 22, 2014  Professional Writer
I love your work, and can't imagine not seeing it when I pop on every now and then. Yours is the first I go to, in fact. It's the reason I even kept a DA account. It's that powerful.
So when I say please don't go, I'm very much on my knees begging you. If you don't think I'm on here for 90% just to see your work (and often times it's a well spring of character inspiration for my work in progress novel) then you, sir, are dead wrong. Shit, dude. I don't even have an avatar or any of my own work on DA anymore and just keep it hanging around to come on and look in wonder at what magic you've created since I left.
I completely understand your outrage at it all, I'm outraged for you. But I'll be selfish here and say what would I do without you?
l0paka Featured By Owner May 15, 2014
It seems inevitable that we will, as artists, be confronted by, in this case, a fellow worker, who on hearing I was an artist, became friendly in order to ask for free logo designs for a reading group. I said I would be glad to do it for current pricing for line art. She was thunderstruck that I would charge her for the pleasure of doing free work. Well it's the tip of the shitberg in our culture that art outside of a few, art is not viewed as something one really ought to pay for. Especially when you are, only JUST a hobbyist, or maybe even an artist. But paying for plumbing is another matter where no one is shocked that a plumber wont work for free. Your experience with art is, sad to say fairly common, which doesn't make it any better, for all the obvious pain and emotional costs it produces. Unfortunately there doesn't seem to be any good solution. However, your photography is, regardless of wanting to share it or not, very very good. Excellent even. Well done and all that! Now that doesn't pay your bills, or buy new equipment. But what you are experiencing is normal for an artist in America. It's been this way for a long time I'm sorry to say. Ugh sad to not offer a solution! Sucks!..But you are not alone. I guess that is some consolation, sort of maybe, kind of. Ick! I just keep at it. Plug away...
goninja Featured By Owner May 15, 2014  Student General Artist
I think its safe to say all of us on here are okay with you water marking them if it means you keep contributing and doing art on here.
TORREsDREAMLAND Featured By Owner May 12, 2014
This guy :icon shen-fn-woo: is making fun his works and him:…
Hes a troll a hater who think is very fun insulting him for his photos.
mjranum Featured By Owner Aug 23, 2014
I blocked him because he's a boring little ankle-biter who's not worth the time it takes to slap him down again and again.
Brian-Athey Featured By Owner May 8, 2014  Hobbyist General Artist
I love your work, and I feel your pain. I also have no good solution.

If you decide to say a collective 'fuck off' to the internet, hey I don't blame you man. I'll miss your work, but no respect will be lost.

So, thanks deeply and honestly for everything you've shared thus far.

I'll be watching for more, if more comes, rock on! If I don't see you in my feed.. well, happy trails man. Follow your metaphorical 'heart', and do what you need to do.
LAN0RA Featured By Owner May 7, 2014   General Artist
This makes me very sad :(

I know you don't know me, but your art is everywhere and so is your stock and I have grown accustomed to seeing it over time. 
I see it being used all over deviantart... and when it is not credited, I make a comment if I know that the original image was inspired by your stock. Whether or not it makes you feel better, which I am sure it probably doesn't, I still do it if I see it being used and recognize it as such. If nothing else, to let them know that the original image came from you and so that you will at least be given proper credit in some form.
I know this isn't the same when it is your art.
The stuff you don't hand over to the vultures. 

I'm so sorry that it is seemingly futile to fight anymore. 
That you have been losing the heart and the will to fight. 
There is something that is horrible about the internet. 
It's that nothing is sacred anymore. There is no respect from anyone here and the anonymity is the skirt they all hide behind. 
:( I have had art teachers rip me a new one in front of the whole class. That's fine, but I can get over that because I can "see" that they do it because they are disappointed in me at the same time they are jealous of me. Because it's face to face. 
This, is far more ruthless.
An army of "things", as I like to call them, for they cease to be human once they enter the internet's portal... well, they assault you over and over again until you are worn down by this SWARM and no longer have the will to fight... which I find to be the worst outcome for an artist and the will to continue making their art.

So, this is just a few words in this blustery, dessert of anonymity... I hope you don't give up... artists need other artists. And I'm not talking about those little shits that plaster high school poetry all over your art. They will never be artists. 
DreamingLizard Featured By Owner May 6, 2014
Marcus, you are by far one of my favourite photographers out there. I love your work and your stock and I am in agreement of all the rants you post on DA. It makes me so dam mad when dicks take our work. I know mine has been taken too and I feel frustrated at times almost to the point of feeling frozen about creating anything to display for the net.

It is utterly amazing how people just are totally clueless about the copyright laws.
Please don't stop creating. You help add fuel to my artistic fires. 

Your Fan Cindy JK
kohakufire Featured By Owner May 4, 2014
I hope you don't quit because of people like them, your artwork is so inspiring.
ArtyAMG Featured By Owner May 2, 2014
Through reading your expressive journal I feel your torment.
May you find a better balance as you continue to create, in either a published or private mode.
Art experiences change us; I hope for you that they will eventually trend toward the net positive.

Strangely, I find this journal to be inspirational.
You don't know me, but I must thank you for your positive influence on this casual "watcher."
Going forward, I will be sure to credit you if I use your work as reference in my sculpt.

Keep on creating. As I soon will, too.
tsheva Featured By Owner Apr 28, 2014  Hobbyist Digital Artist
And I just read her blog and I cannot believe the nerve of her to ask that you take down HER art LOLOLOLOLOL WOW. She didn't know who the picture belonged to? Clearly it didn't belong to her.  If you didn't take the picture and you didn't purchase the stock, you MIGHT need permission to use said picture.

That's just common sense right there.

Also, is tumblr the place were people should be lifting images to use in their "art"?!

She's so lost it's not even worth it.
tsheva Featured By Owner Apr 28, 2014  Hobbyist Digital Artist
I LOVE your photography and what you do for stock photography. THANK YOU. There are so many ungrateful people who just weren't raised right. They think that everything on the internet belongs to them. They don't know that asking goes a long way and that saying thank you inspires others to give more.

They are ill mannered and the fact that they have the nerve to get indignant when confronted just says it all. They know they're wrong so their defenses go up. Not apologizing is just the dirtiest part of it all because they don't care.

I don't know what to say to you to let you know that you have created some of the best photography AND stock photography out there and that you shouldn't let the ungrateful people of the world stop you from doing what you do because if it isn't you, it will be someone else they're stealing from and lying to and not caring about.

The internet shows the best and worst of human nature.

Do what you came here to do and don't let the thieves of the world stop you from doing what brings you joy.

Is what I say :)
Sinned-angel-stock Featured By Owner Apr 24, 2014  Professional Photographer
Take extremely low-res pictures (from a camera, not a scan) and plaster your watermark all over? At least your watermark will look better than the garbage other people slap on your images. Go ahead, try to rip off a 200x200px image, internet assholes :P
goninja Featured By Owner May 15, 2014  Student General Artist
Agreed. I love your stock to btw.
jacktheabyssinian Featured By Owner Apr 19, 2014
Read this:

I like your work and you are an inspiration. 

As an inspiration, I don't want to copy your work, but I do take your help and hints as means of improving my photography. And it works. If one has to copy or steal and "embellish", they shouldn't be photographing. That's like supposedly knowing about music because one owns a CD collection. They are little people bound by their lack of imagination.

I have noticed that you produce less and less for DA and it makes me sad. I really hope that you can overcome what shadow is presented by these ghouls. I do not  only speak for myself, but you will be sorely missed if these shits have their triumph.
mjranum Featured By Owner Aug 23, 2014
I have never had any problem with anyone learning anything; I live to teach and try to share what I can. What I don't want to do is bleed my whole life out dealing with irritating ankle-biters.
Karennadine Featured By Owner Apr 19, 2014  Hobbyist Photographer
It makes me sad to read this, thank you for sharing your frustration and true words. I hope others will read it and understand things have to change and we all have to do our best to respect copyrights. 
cjheery Featured By Owner Apr 16, 2014  Hobbyist Traditional Artist
Very sad.  I am sorry you were put in this position.  And I really miss seeing your work.
RMBrand Featured By Owner Apr 15, 2014  Professional Digital Artist
I am truly sad to read this. I love your work and was hoping to use some of your images for educational purposes (I'm trying to hone my compositing skills in Photoshop and After Effects). I will look for other artists from this time forth. And to be honest, I can't blame you for restricting access. I agree with you that far too often, you see a lot of crap made using good artwork. I don't get it. Why ruin a good piece of art plastering it with crap? I see this all the time in book trailers. Ugh. It's sickening.

I wish you all the best and success. Honestly, you should get a return on your investment. I would pay to use this art. Just sayin'.
rosecrow19 Featured By Owner Apr 15, 2014  Hobbyist General Artist
Don't worry. If you really like Photogoraphy you will learn not to get upset anymore.
8DFineArt Featured By Owner Apr 8, 2014   General Artist
I'm sorry for you and your models =(
I think many people value your wonderful work very much.

Once again thank you so much for your kind permission to draw one of your wonderful artworks! This means a lot to me!
(always credited with your name and a link to your gallery)
faustie Featured By Owner Apr 8, 2014  Professional Digital Artist
you're amazing buddy. :)
Knightinkarma Featured By Owner Apr 5, 2014
It saddens me to read this. I am sorry to hear that a simple act of "thanks you" was not extended to you. It really takes so little effort. While I hope to see your work I will understand if you decide not to share it with this community.

I hope that this passes and you see your way to the other side of this issue without more worry.
Whatever you decide..

Thank you and Thanks to your Models as well. You have both helped my art.
MeinHerzBrennt13 Featured By Owner Apr 5, 2014
I'm just another random person on the internet. I'm also someone whose admired your art for years. I respect it, and feel that each image tells a story. I adore your work and think that you are incredibly talented. I just wanted to say that. 
mjranum Featured By Owner Apr 10, 2014
Thank you!
Cimarron29 Featured By Owner Apr 3, 2014
You've inspired and helped me over the years and I'm so sorry to read this has happened and understand how it must feel.
john0locke0cira Featured By Owner Apr 3, 2014
I could understand what ever way you decide, including to remove yourself from the main open Internet. If you decide that I'd ask for a less open option to talk ( ie email or some such) as i still value the few dev messages we've had.  

I might suggest exposing your work to more 'professional' venues. Im sure you've evaluated that  option already just my two cents.

You're experience sounds like mostly hell.
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